tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post3782220297271378614..comments2024-03-15T08:05:28.706+00:00Comments on The Sleeping Policeman: A Former Police Officer's Blog: Edlington; A One Off or a Sign of Our Society?Lex Ferendahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11111622017331655936noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-75427523420559579782023-09-04T17:07:51.526+01:002023-09-04T17:07:51.526+01:00off-white
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I'd like to get th...Bingo, Gareth and Despair.<br /><br />I'd like to get the legion of yogurt knitters currently flocking to opine on the Edlington lads together in a room and ask them one simple question.<br /><br />Which of them - which <em>individual person</em> - was responsible for saying "NO!" to that pair, and meaning it.<br /><br />We all know the answer. None of them. And that just means that every single one of them is a worthless gobshite parasite pissing our tax money away on making the problem worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-54970410911409165252010-01-27T04:25:43.237+00:002010-01-27T04:25:43.237+00:00The biggest problem with our lost generation of fe...The biggest problem with our lost generation of feral kids is that the middle-class professionals who make all the decisions don't really believe it exists.<br /><br />Witness regular hand-wringing editorials in all of the quality press, bemoaning the evil police and their criminalisation of the Yoot.<br /><br />Decent people like to think that they and theirs wouldn't do anything criminal, so refuse to believe that there are families out there that cheerfully and wilfully wallow in filth and evil.MPS (not!) Probbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06903643172842005934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-22069657370319017752010-01-26T22:57:35.139+00:002010-01-26T22:57:35.139+00:00HI!
First time caller, long time listner here!
A...HI!<br /><br />First time caller, long time listner here!<br /><br />As I hail from New Zealand, I can actually confirm for you that, Yes! Australia is still mainly inhabited by criminals and therefore the correct place to send those two.....errr.... people.<br /><br />It also explains a fair bit about their cricket team too.XChequerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000051037393137077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-71105667898228838772010-01-26T22:55:11.204+00:002010-01-26T22:55:11.204+00:00I work in several schools in a non-teaching capaci...I work in several schools in a non-teaching capacity, and they all vary quite a bit. None are in the leafy suburbs.<br /><br />One in particular nearly makes me despair. The MOST Senior Management seem only to want to befriend the kids. The kids' families are poor and working (or shirking) class, so these middle class professionals obviously have some guilt thing going.<br /><br />Discipline is almost non-existant. No one will say "NO" to the kids, and mean it. There are some teachers, including some more junior members of senior management, who do their best. They're effectively undermined by the Most High.<br /><br />If parents won't teach kids the meaning of "no", then the school should. The only alternative to that, as Gadget has said, is that people in blue wooly pullies will end up being the ones to teach them, often when the kids are no longer kids. That means that an hour's detention becomes three months.<br /><br />Schools MUST make a difference or they are condemning many more kids than necessary to a criminal record. There will always be some incorrigibles. Kick them out of school before they contaminate the rest.Despairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-70836931163767210202010-01-26T20:13:32.319+00:002010-01-26T20:13:32.319+00:00You thought the Edlington pair were bad?
They...You thought the Edlington pair were bad? <br /><br />They're <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246195/Boy-13-raped-woman-friends-jailed-just-years.html" rel="nofollow">amateurs</a>...<br /><br />Oddly enough, nothing at all about the parents terrible home life driving this one to do what he did. I wonder why..?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-66774635084059306732010-01-26T08:57:29.399+00:002010-01-26T08:57:29.399+00:00That post actually made me want to weep. Its fuck...That post actually made me want to weep. Its fucking heart breaking to watch the decline of civilization, isn't it?anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703233313854600531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-58084026137718148032010-01-25T19:27:32.091+00:002010-01-25T19:27:32.091+00:00The law needs changing so that if children under t...The law needs changing so that if children under the age of responsibility commit a crimes, the parents can be charged with that crime as if they had done it themselves.English Pensionerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15271488641341955140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-48407482542934902392010-01-25T19:19:14.420+00:002010-01-25T19:19:14.420+00:00The more agencies there are the less action. The m...The more agencies there are the less action. The more time spent co-ordinating things the less time spent making a difference. Talking about action has replaced action.<br /><br />Who ultimately decides that a child should be taken into care - a court? If so is there anything preventing the Police service (and other bodies) petitioning a court in such circumstances as described? Could Police forces scrap the choppers, undercover sportscars and showers and spend the money on that sort of thing instead? It sounds a lot like your Police force is at war with itself if youth offending teams aren't interested in preventing youth offending. Priorities are muddled across the public sector. If the current procedures are not working is there scope to work outside them? If one particular part of the public sector is preventing things from happening go around them.<br /><br />If the RSPCA can take out private prosecutions perhaps Police forces should too. If the Prison service cannot accomodate enough prisoners could Police forces club together and build and run some themselves? Local councils too. Local solutions to local crime problems, funded locally.<br /><br />Obfuscation is the natural order of things. Responsibility has been diffused to the point where no-one can take responsibilty. When things do go wrong it becomes a game of pin the blame on the donkey, scrabbling to find a scapegoat to take all of the blame rather than dish it out appropriately. Frequently 'the system' is blamed. Not enough resources. Not enough co-ordination. Not enough liasing. The problem is too much of those not too little. Less state is the answer to a failing state, not more.<br /><br />Benefits in kind not in cash. A bog standard weekly shop (or vouchers for) rather than fistfuls of taxpayer money might lessen the chance of taxpayers funding the drink, drug and mating habits of feckless parents whose children become feral cashcows.Garethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-82623122097313563812010-01-25T18:13:55.954+00:002010-01-25T18:13:55.954+00:00The Bulger Killers are apparently still in the UK ...The Bulger Killers are apparently still in the UK and Venables may have joined the army.Mindstarrisinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312511981528301718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-64825998027938189972010-01-25T17:18:45.524+00:002010-01-25T17:18:45.524+00:00Quote: "There are five adjectives which descr...Quote: "There are five adjectives which describe you: cruel, manipulative, perverse, disordered and pitiful. You used your own child as an instrument for your own disordered emotions. A mother is supposed to care for and nourish and love the young through childhood but that role was distorted. Your conduct led to phsysiological, psychological and emotional damage to your child".<br /><br />These weren't the words of the Judge to the parents of the two convicted boys who are the subject of this post, but they would likely fit the bill if those "parents" are subsequently prosecuted. So who was he directing them at? Lisa Hayden-Johnson, the woman who convinced doctors that her perfectly healthy son was "the most ill child in Britain". I think we have an empirically sound, researched and documented pattern of behaviour here..... again.Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-62684160136358325492010-01-25T17:14:54.340+00:002010-01-25T17:14:54.340+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hogdayafternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188146617570775741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-66111536204046239122010-01-25T16:57:42.216+00:002010-01-25T16:57:42.216+00:00maybe one night the lad will fill his pockets with...maybe one night the lad will fill his pockets with rocks, get too high and fall into the river and drown....saving you all the oxygen the little shit has been stealling.CI-Roller Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850472230525879415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-32331523468445417842010-01-25T04:58:48.258+00:002010-01-25T04:58:48.258+00:00Somehow, there has evolved in the UK a culture of ...Somehow, there has evolved in the UK a culture of irresponsibility. No-one is prepared to take the rap for stuff gone wrong. That includes government, 'charities', quangos, and, yes, the Police. The default position is deny responsibility until it is established beyond all doubt and then still cast doubt on it.<br /><br />How did we become so spineless? As MarkUK said "but we know we get things wrong". Indeed. Would we not have more respect for an organisation that honestly admitted 'Yes, we got that completely wrong: what can we do to make amends'?<br /><br />We truly have developed into a nation of cowards, concealers, and deniers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588995136414705349.post-5748157661872737972010-01-24T23:02:15.493+00:002010-01-24T23:02:15.493+00:00Our biggest problem is that we are now into the th...Our biggest problem is that we are now into the third generation of feral kids. Mum was/is no angel and gran still picks up any old feller when she's drunk. (No dad or granddad, as they are long gone.)<br /><br />Some parents have never been shown what parenting is about. They haven't had real parents of their own. Those of us who try to be decent parents have the angst that we don't know how good a job we're doing, but we know we get things wrong. In fact, if you actually try, and if you love your kids, you are unlikely to do much that will harm them, and will do a lot that will benefit them.<br /><br />In some areas intensive parenting courses have been shown to work. However, it's no use waiting for the kid's 33rd encounter with the police before putting these into action. It needs to be done at the second or third interacton (anyone can get it wrong once). Whilst this sounds expensive, consider the alternative.<br /><br />Without action, things will just get worse.MarkUKnoreply@blogger.com